[Discuss] Banning Characters

[psymann]

Tom Vogt wrote:
> The game already handles this with auto-removals and auto-pause code. 
> There is absolutely NO acceptable reason to act on inactivity. What 
> needs to be done is being done by the game. Anyone who thinks the times 
> are too long, or any other reason to pre-empt the auto-actions is 
> breaking Inalienable Right #1.
> 
> If someone logs in once a week so he doesn't get auto-paused, and is 
> "holding the realm back" with that cycle, find IN GAME ways to deal with 
> it. Incapable, insane or otherwise less-than-perfect nobles were a 
> perfectly normal thing in the real middle ages and life went on and wars 
> were fought anyways.

I do sort of want to agree with this, but I end up agreeing more with 
Rob Croson.

The game does indeed handle it with auto-removals and auto-pause code. 
But IMO, logging in once a week, to do nothing other than interrupt the 
auto-pause code, is an attempt to avoid this game mechanic.  If you log 
in once a week, and play to sort out everything that needs sorting out, 
then fine.  But the spirit of the auto-pause code is that you should be 
playing at least once a week to keep the game going.  If you log in once 
a week, but don't actually do any playing, then that's against the 
spirit of the rule, and if anything it therefore merits OOC action for 
deliberate abuse of game mechanics.

Tom, you say "find IN GAME ways to deal with it".  I thought that 
banning someone for being inept and being unable to keep their 
region/duchy in shape, or unable to fulfil their role, was an in-game 
action.  Isn't banning someone done in-game?  I didn't think we were 
talking about OOC bans here, but IC bans.

Take four scenarios:
- You log in once every four hours and you're doing your job well: No Ban
- You log in once a week and you're doing your job well: No Ban
- You log in once every four hours and you're doing your job horribly: Ban
- You log in once a week and you're doing your job horribly: Ban

Now it may be that logging in only once a week is what's causing you to 
do your job horribly, or it may just be your lack of talent in the role, 
but surely regardless of the reason, if you're rubbish, you're going to 
get protested/banned/etc.  Because you're affecting things IC, so you're 
going to have people getting annoyed with you IC.

It can be possible to play by logging in just once a week - fine 
(especially if roleplayed well), and the realm deals with it.  But only 
once a year (plus 51 quick 
log-in-and-log-out-again-to-keep-the-positions)?  There has to be some 
sort of limit.  That limit is the auto-pause code, and so if people are 
deliberately avoiding it, there ought to be some action taken.

psymann


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