[Discuss] Lightning bolt raising confusion

[Robert Croson, Jr]

On 2 Apr 2008 at 23:27, Philippe Veillette wrote:

Well, since you posted it here, I guess I'll give my two cents. Here's where I 
think the problem was, in this first message:

> Request from Alex Kidd   (1 day, 3 hours ago) Message sent to everyone
> in your realm (48 recipients) 

--snip--

> I see that Marshal Slayer is wounded. I will continue to post orders
> until he recovers. For now, please return back to regroup.
> 
> Alex Kidd
> General of Enweil

Someone who is not a marshal, second-in-command, or liege lord of the people 
concerned is telling these people that he will give them orders. He had no 
authority to give them orders. The fact that he was appointed *4 hours later* is 
not important. At the time he said he was going to be giving them orders he 
had no athority to do. Zap!

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> So everyone in the realm are quite confuse as to what got breached. 
> The marshal system was indeed use as he give the order as the SiC.

Except that he was *not* SiC when he said he was going to be giving out 
orders. If I walk into a car dealership and take a car without paying for it, that's 
stealing, even if I intend to go buy that very same car tomorrow.

If you can use the red paper, then do it. Don't try and tell people that the 
black/blue/green paper is really red.

> And then those 2 notes from the player of the general
> ---
> OOC: It really is not clear about how this system is supposed to work.
> I don't remember seeing if there was any condition about the General,
> Marshal, and SIC being three different people or if it is fine for the
> same person to hold more than one of these three positions to use it
> as a convenience to get messages out quickly :-?

Yes, one person can be both general and marshal/SiC. This is the way it is set 
up in two realms I am in, and we don't have any problems with it at all.

This was not the problem.

> OOC: As for the issue with Alex - he definitely said that he "will
> continue to post orders" - but this was not an order itself, and when
> he did post his first order, he was the SIC. The whole point of me
> changing the SIC was just for this reason since SIC is the next in
> chain after Marshal.

In my opinion the general should have said something like: "The sponsor will 
soon be appointing me as the new marshal/SiC so I can give orders for the 
army."

> I am thinking of taking this up OOC in the discussion list with Tom
> and find out what was wrong here. I don't get the point when someone
> is trying to use the methods/options available in the game so that the
> rules set not broken. (This again is considering the fact that there
> was nothing stated about same person holding more than one position)

It has nothing to do with how many different characters hold how many 
different positions. You're barking up the wrong tree. The message from the 
Titans showed exactly where the issue was: Someone who was not marshal or 
SiC told people he was going to be giving them orders.

> I am sending it as I intended to do so and he unregistered from the
> mailing list a while ago.  When he speak about General and Marshal
> being the same person, I think to remember seeing a news messages
> saying that it could be done, but not fully sure, so he could be wrong
> on that small detail, which make the lightning bolt even harder to
> understand.

Yes, the general can also be the marshal or the SiC.


-- 
Rob

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