[Discuss] delayed scouts active

[Mitchell]

From: Thor Stroobants 
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  To: discuss at news.battlemaster.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Discuss] delayed scouts active



    What's the purpose: The real-time scouting gives advantages to people 
    who can log in multiple times. If you can scout only once, you get a 
    snapshot, and have to decide based on that. If you can scout every hour 
    or two, you see what the enemy is doing and can base your decision on 
    much more information. You can see his army moving out one by one, you 
    can see the status changes. You can decide based on that right before 
    the turn whether or not it's a misdirection and react accordingly.

    With delayed scouts, you get information at the turn. It's one turn old, 
    but it's the only thing you have. You act based on that, and the people 
    in your army have all turn to set their movements, line settings, 
    whatever. There's no advantage in waiting for a few hours. Thus there is 
    no incentive to order people to log in late, or log in again, or 
    anything else of that kind.

  Your story goes only up when you see that realm as a group of late-loggers.

  Since most realms are mixed : morning-turn-people and evening-turn people you can't expect they would react all an hour before turn change.

  Orders are given in the first two hours of the turn and rarely changed.

  It is true a late-turn scouting gives you info on what's likely going to happen but it is too late to change orders in your realm and thus not a problem.

  Pratical info :

  I'm a Gen on BT and I just lost a battle that I swear, I did not saw it comming. Nor did anyone else warned me of my error in scouting.
  Now in prison I can not look at scoutings to see what went wrong. I hope I can come up with details.

  For now my feeling says I hate the delays, I just hope I don't stand alone in this. 
  Can't we have a voting on this ? It doesn't have to be majority who "wins" but I think more then the majority is against it.

  Disclaimer : I play the game fair, I'll remain a fun-player and if you say green I'll follow it. But this is a disussion...so I hope nobody loses itself in "Tom can do whatever he wants be gratefull"

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  I myself find it very interesting, and I feel that it adds a new level to the game. I agree that late-turn scoutings have been abused. We, as players, may not feel that it is 'abuse', but that is because it has become fairly commonplace. I am fairly sure that some realms, like Perdan, who are HIGHLY organized, have Armies that are dedicated solely to quick turn movement....And if you have a good 20 players who can all login at 23:45 and a make a hit with over 8k cs.....well....in Tom's eyes, that is abuse. 

  Now, my question is this. I am sure that Tom or a dev could answer me this. How about adventurers, and I think infiltrators? I believe there is a new option called "Scout this region". Is that true? If so, do these scoutings happen simultaneously, such as it takes 2 hours of time and add in fatigue for the adventurers? If so, will any kind of limitation be put in place, such that a character could only scout that region once or twice a turn?

  I feel that while this would defeat the main purpose of having scouts in the form of paraphenelia, it would instead add in a higher incentive for infiltrators and would add in a use for adventurers....But I feel that the honor limit (currently 50 I believe) for becoming an infiltrator is too easily gotten, especially on some of the larger islands like EI and Atamara....Or any Island, for that matter, where one can basically sit in the capital and constantly get honor/prestige (Oligarch comes to mind, or any secession that gets killed quickly). Then again this might be outdated info, what with the new code of not getting honor/prestige quite so quickly....


  ~Mitchell Smallwood
  Vice-President, North Laurel Leaders 4-H Club
  Concertmaster, RHS Symphonic Band

  "Resolve to perform what you ought; perform without fail what you resolve."
  Personal maxim of Thomas J. Jackson
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