[Discuss] Friendly secessions

[Vinnie]

2007/6/3, Tom Vogt <tom at lemuria.org>:
> Vinnie schrieb:
> > Now, my question is simple. Tom has said in the past friendly
> > secessions are not allowed. I don't agree, but I want to know what the
> > rule is now.
>
> Quite frankly: I've stopped caring.
>
> If YOU, the community, want to play this game as just another
> anything-for-the-win strategy game, there's nothing I can do to stop
> that anyways.

Friendly secessions don't equal "anything for the win". When your duke
seceeds, you can't stop him. You can either try to fight him or make
friends with him. If you can't beat them, join them.

Additionally, friendly secessions create more realms and smaller
realms and that usually leads directly to more interesting diplomacy.

> If YOU, the community, want to accept cheaters, powergamers and all
> those who destroy a game, I'm fighting an uphill battle anyways.

That's a serious insult to all those who have done friendly
secessions. They call it creating a colony. Why do you call them all
cheaters and powergamers?

The only problem is the real tool to make a colony, a colony takeover
does not work. It's too difficult, it always has to be friendly, ...
You can't use it to take the city of an enemy. So what people do is
take the city for themselves and have it seceed. That's about how it
would work in real life as well, and I don't see what is wrong with it
or why it should be considered cheating.

Anyway, if you stopped caring, it might be better to announce that
friendly secessions are from now on tolerated. Just stating they are
disallowed but not acting upon them is rather confusing. Or of course,
we should stop tolerating them.

> If YOU, the community, consider those who spent hours upon hours ridding
> the game of at least the worst of the crap your enemies and launch one
> propaganda after the other against them, without even realizing the
> sheer amount of good they do because you never see it THANKS TO THE
> TITANS, then quite frankly, maybe we should just stop all the effort and
> let the game be flooded.

That's another discussion. I've said a few times already it would help
if any and all decisions by the titans were made public. Then we would
see what good things they're doing, and we wouldn't see stuff like
"but they didn't do anything about Plergoth OOC invasion!". Because at
least we would know what they did to look into it and why they did not
take action. The titans need to be open instead of mysterious.