[Discuss] Is Fun Dead? End of RP

[Kathleen Stalnaker]

On 2/4/07, Simon Willems <simon.willems at gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2007/2/4, Ourania Papasozomenou <mpoufita at yahoo.com>:
> >
> > I was reluctant in sending this to the Discussion list because of the
> usual flamewar that such a letter will spark..as always. But I was adviced
> to do so.
> > If you don't want to talk seriously and in a fruitfull way about this
> topic, then please don;t.
> >
> > So, here it goes.
> >
> > This game is supposed to be fun for everyone. And in the past all those
> that spoil the fun of others were punished. But now I see is 5 realms, ruled
> by 5 permament players to attack a realm with much less strength that one of
> the attacking realms alone. Where is the fun in this?
> >
> > You know, the problem (in the EC mainly.) in this is that there is a
> strong alliance here that spoils the fun of everybody else. I am not talking
> only about Kalmar (You can't imagine what crap I have heard both IC and OOC)
> but also about LoF which for its own good should find an available strong
> ally, otherwise it will be destroyed by the usual suspects.
> >
> > And the same scenario is going to happen in Atamara as well. The balance
> there is different, but we have the same pattern of a non-war, but a
> determination to completely destroy a realm...5 vs 1.
> >
> > What I see, in the Continents, is five realms and few players having taken
> the continents' diplomacy as their private monopoly, deciding who will be
> destroyed and who will remain. And with no, or inadequate RP. (I was a Ruler
> and I know. You can't imagine what replies the rulers give. a plain "yes" or
> "no" ,"you will die" without a justification, as a reply to a very solid,
> good RP letter)
> >
> > So, here is what I ask...
> >
> > Should be there something to prevent such monopolies from the game? Things
> that spoil the fun of so many? I remember in the past there were tricks to
> prevenmt realms from growing a lot and bonus in favour of small realms
> (morale penalties for great distances, severe penalties in the stats of huge
> realms, even forced separation). Now it is completely the opposite!
> >
> > Maybe there should be a limit to the difference of the attackers and the
> defenders strength or something to prevent such rediculous incidents in the
> future. 300,000 CS against 10,000 is really not fun!
> >
> > And it's not fun at all to play in realms knowing that they will be
> destroyed by 5 other realms that make up excuses or not bother to even find
> an excuse to attack and destroy you. It was fun RP at first, but then,
> everyone playing in these realms are out of RPing! And allow me to speak
> also for Ubent which is a realm that survives only because the other 5 don't
> care (yet) about it, having imposed upon it a limit of 5K CS.
> > And you might ask, why does Ubent don't resist? Because the players know
> that if they grow bigger than 5k cs, they will be history in a month.
> >
> > Some 1.5 year ago, when Eleador, Coimbra, Rancagua and Avamar fell -soon
> to be followed by Oligarch-, there was a discussion in the D-list and
> everyone said how crappy this is, and that small realms should be kept
> alive, because if they were not, big realms would grow bigger and destroy
> everyone they didn't like. Tom himself told that "realms come and go". And I
> ask you. In the past 2 years, how many realms have gone? And how many realms
> have arisen in the EC? Three. Avamar Selective, Kalmar Islands and Light of
> Fountain. All three are this close to being destroyed. The conclusions are
> yours to make....
> >
> > And that's not fun. Not fun at all. For about 200 players that do not have
> characters in the 5 strong realms. And between you and me, RP is dead in EC.
> and so is fun for the vast majority.
> > And this is not just my opinion (and no, it's not because i'm in the
> "losing" side. I know you can't win BM, which is why it's nice playing in
> small realms.) It's also the opinion of players with characters in the
> "opposite", strong side. And I have the names of them, if you are
> interested.
> >
> > Thank you for your time,
> > Rania
> >
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> Yeah, well said. There is just a major lack of RP in most continents...
> although I'm new to Atamara, I can notice that. I have left East Continent
> because there was indeed no roleplay anymore. But to be fair, same things
> also happen on Beluaterra. I mean: four of the five strongest realm on the
> continent are fighting against the other strongest realm. Although there are
> some small realms now, they have been warned for joining 'the other side',
> which would lead to their destruction.
>
> What can small realms do against four big realms? Nothing. Even worse is
> that these four realms won't stop until the entire continent will be in
> their grip... which would then end all the fun (we all know what happened
> before the last invasion: Beluattera was extremely boring as there was no
> war).
> Maybe citystates should gain much bonuses, and rebelling or seceeding should
> be made easier... it would be much more fun if there were more realms.
>
> This reminds me of Silantin... that's what people call "let's gangbang a
> realm". It was just everyone vs Silantin for a silly reason (which I cannot
> remember anymore). In fact, it's just lame to go with four against one.
>
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I keep hearing all these bad things about EC and how the RP is dead.
I have not found this to be true.  RP is alive and well.  And while it
is frustrating to be getting the short end of the stick in a war that
seems terribly lopsided...it can turn around.  I have seen it do so
and on EC.  Yes I have also seen realms die on EC, those are sad days
indeed.  But these events can provide new motivation to get in there
and throw a monkey wrench into what ever is happening.

Poor diplomacy and lack of strong rulership lead to all sorts of
things in real life and in the game.  If the guy or gal leading your
country/realm whatever alienates all the other rulers you end up
looking around for someone willing to stick their neck out for you.
It is a balancing act.  If what you are currently doing isn't working
try something else.