[Discuss] Was Adventurers and Religion, Now Combining Priests and Adventurers

[Nate Shupe]

>From: Lyman Stone <lymanstone at alltel.net>
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>To: BattleMaster general discussion list <discuss at news.battlemaster.org>
>Subject: Re: [Discuss] Adventurers and Religion
>Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:26:15 -0400
>
> > Funny you should mention that. Are adventurers meant to become full
> > members at all? Indirik said they aren't on the bug tracker. The help
> > page said they can't be senior members (which I took to mean just
> > elders...) Why would adventurers join guild (or for that matter
> > religion)? I can only think of 2 things normally
> > 1) the usage of communications feature for group hunting (right
> > pain to
> > tick a load of boxes every time otherwise)
> > 2) some sort of channel to nobles for selling unique items. (rather
> > than
> > walking around and say, hey boss, fancy an unique item?)
> >
> > unless I'm missing something and their scout report is actually
> > useful..
> >
> > I can't see many nobles wanting a load of adventurers join their
> > (active/lots of noble members) guild just to pass on hunting links..
> > well.. not when the links are passed to everyone and their dog in the
> > guild anyway! though they sure wouldn't mind the unique items!
>
>Erm...I may be mistaken here, but I believe several Popes were,
>technically, commoners. The Catholic Church didn't become noble-
>dominated until 1000ish, I think. I could certainly be wrong. But,
>quite frequently, priests and such became de facto nobles when nobles
>gave money/land to the church, and the church aquired assets which
>needed management, and so priests became the landlords and, thus, de
>facto nobles.
>
>I'm pretty sure that, even into the 1300's, commoners (perhaps what
>we would call "freemen") were achieving relatively prominent ranks in
>the church. I don't know enough about Islam, Confucianism, Buddhism,
>or any other medieval era religions to say for them, though.
>
>
>--
Considering that the majority of this game is based around feudal Europe, 
the Catholic church would be the best reference amongst these religions 
anyways.

Real religions aside, why would a game religion deny these positions to an 
adventurer?  Anyone can be a follower, but more specifically, priests can 
attain any ranks.  While it's not a complete picture, you can virtually view 
priests as having cast aside their nobility, at least temporarily.  They 
seek no income from the feudal heirarchy, they travel alone, they have 
regular dealings with commoners, and the only difference from them and the 
adventurer, class-wise, is that they have been able to reach a status of 
nobility.

Nobility is generally associated with a bloodline, or strong tie to the 
lands in which they are noble in.  If a roaming priest is still a noble, he 
hasn't very well honored a noble blood by giving up his possessions to 
socialize with peasants.  Likely, he obviously isn't too strongly attached 
to any lands under a feudal structure.  So, how are priests so noble that 
they are able to trump the status of an adventurer?

Perhaps something should be looked into where priests not only lose their 
possessions, but betray the status of nobility in order to become a priest.  
In addition, why not make it so that adventurers and priests have more 
similar parallels other than simply the time pool?

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