[Discuss] 2 family members in government positions

[Björn Falkenström]

"Geez, you could have turned down Lordship in Lasanar, don't you think?
I too got Generalship on SWI Sandalak with nary a struggle for a 'new'

> character, he was but 19.  Even in EI Old Ranc I had a character there
> get Generalship after 60 days, but you know what, it's relative, the
> characters there didn't like a newer person coming in and taking charge,
> there were many characters there that had 300+ days in the realm.  Later
> I even became ruler, I simultaneously held 2 rulerships and a
> generalship.  Now tell me how that was sharing the experience of
> battlemaster?"


It is not about sharing. Its not a plate of food you only eat because you
need it, because you are a hungry human. It is like advancing at work.
"Maybe we should give everyone a chance of having different positons and
titles at work. Why not let the new ones be the CEO of the company (the boss
of the company)" ^^

"Have you ever heard of 'conflict of interest'?  That is one of the likey
> reasons why Tom has put the restriction in, for how can everybody
> involved say that there is no conflict of interest when I hold two
> rulerships on EI?  Damn that just sounds to funny to even try explain,
> oh the irony.  Wouldn't it be ironic to be ruler of Oligrach and Perdan,
> then beat up on Old Ranc and Fontan before turning towards Sirion
> without much of an in-game word spoken between the two characters."


You look at it all wrong from a roleplayers perspective. There is no
conflict of interest for those who play different characters. You look at it
as "a player playing both, and therefore both want the same thing". Thats
certainly not how I play. They all have different desires, wills. I
explained the thing they have incommon, the amibiton.
So much as an in-game word haha, that would be clear cheating, and need I
remind you that the ruler holds less power than you think. He/she needs to
report what is going on to the rest. I am saying it should be player based,
not code based. If someone can handle it, let him. If they can´t, then don´t
let them.

"Conflict of interest alarms start going off."



I explained why its not in the right hands. It could be if the player is
playing both as a player only, but don´t let him/her then.


> "If you need struggle, RP it, I hear lots of people say they get lots of
> satisfaction through RP and the unexpected turn of events that it can
> bring.  Try spitting on a ruler, that will certainly bring a lto of
> struggle."


I can RP struggle all I want but its hard to RP and be proud of a region
when you get it for free.
I don´t know what spitting on a ruler has to do with it? You will probably
be kicked out of the realm if you don´t hold much power, doing such a thing.


> "With 1100 players (Lets say 2750 characters) and a voting system,
> between 56 realms (for 218 positions).  So you mean that the remaining
> 1600+ characters would have no problems/struggle to get into a position
> of direct power?  Wow, you really have no faith in others to make sure
> things stay on track, to make seemingly sound decisions, or to share the
> game experience."

    With 1000+ players I would have expected to see a bit more diversity in

> BM, alas you really want to cripple or enforce your views of struggles
> on others (powergaming imo) by reducing the number of 'players' that
> hold council positions, while I argue for increasing the number of
> 'players' holding council positions to purposefully create
> diversity which really lends itself well to developing struggles for
> entire realms not just a few."


_I_ really have no faith in others to make sure things stay on track? I am
the one who want the players to decide, not code, and therefore I have faith
in them. You are against it, I assume you have no faith in them?
Like I said, it is not sharing the game experience. You ruin it for them
more likely by just giving them what they want without a struggle. Not a
plate of food like I said. It is more complex than that.

Powergaming in your opinion to earn a position? Then the whole of bm is
powergaming right now.
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