[Discuss] 2 family members in government positions

[Alex Davies]

>From: Lyman Stone <lymanstone at alltel.net>
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>To: BattleMaster general discussion list <discuss at news.battlemaster.org>
>Subject: Re: [Discuss] 2 family members in government positions
>Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:28:21 -0400
>
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>>Lordships don't hold the same influence that  Dukeships and council 
>>positions offer.
>
>They hold mor einfluence than you might think.
>
>Lets take Ubent for example. One of their current(or was it recently  lost? 
>i forget) southern mountain regions produced something like  30-40% of 
>their income. Thats pretty influential.

40%. Correct, they still have that region, but theres 16K CS of enemy troops 
sitting in it who just wiped out an army of 5K on delay and wound with a 
loss of less than 2k. If the local lord fllipped to , lets say, Ibladesh, 
Ubent would die. They get hardly any money.

>Or we'll say there's a realm barely making its food needs, then it  loses a 
>big rural region. Thats a big loss. Normal lordships can be  quite 
>influential.

Yep. Hell, if the local lords decide to go against the duke then no city can 
feed itself.

>>
>>I think that many newer players would rejoice if Tom restricted  things 
>>further with my suggested 1 position (ruler, judge, general,  banker, 
>>duke) per player account.  It seems very fair in terms of  gameplay and 
>>would add a lot more 'variety' to the game.
>
>I think I am a newer player, and I know I wouldnt rejoice. Its funny  how 
>almost everyone on this list is an old fart themselves. Lets all  sound off 
>who on here has been in game less than 1 year, shall we? I  think I'm on 8 
>months now. Not new, but newer. Most players are quiet  people who wouldnt 
>mind having a lordship, but arent going to do  anything outstanding to 
>deserve it. Well, I think they should have to  do something outstanding to 
>deserve it.

I am an even newer player. 6 months in (maybe a week over or something), and 
my only position of power that I have held really is a Marshal in a 
theocracy, He still gets put in all the message groups, hears all the 
discussions, acts as second in command. In 2 months I have a quite powerful 
position, have taken part in a successful, well RPed (it should be, this is 
FEI) rebellion... It's a lot of fun. And I worked to get there. In fact, he 
was going to be banker except for the prestige requirements. Now I could 
have sat on my behind and not said anything, and I wouldn't have got the 
position. Because I tried to be involved, I got the position. With a 
different character I also threatened to lead a rebellion, got the ruler 
convinced to step down by doing so. I have had great fun with one character 
being kicked out of somewhere between 2-5 realms (2 definite bans, 1 ask to 
leave, a couple of realm change defections), but no lordships. And from the 
word go I didn't expect that character to get the positions of power.

Although I might feel a bit of injustice in some realms where nothing is 
said and the same old quiet peole get the positions, it i certainly not 
enough to make me say "I can't get a position, I'm leaving the game". 
Frankly, anyone who thinks the game is ONLY about getting positions, and 
that positions are what makes the game playable, is not someone who I really 
want to play with.

>A player is not entitled to a lordship, or a council position, or  what 
>have you. They are a reward and, considering the stress involved  in some 
>of them, at times a dubious one. I know that in my short  stint as a ruler, 
>I got a cumulative 5 minutes of joy from the  position, which isnt to say I 
>enjoyed the game less, merely didnt  particularly think the position itself 
>is some great bringer-of-joy.

Yeah. You would be referring to beign prime minister of Oli? I can imagine 
that it would not be fun.

>If getting positions to new players were so important, it would be an  
>inalienable right. As Timothy did, lets take these rules to the  extreme. 
>One position per account, okay. Well, if we continue this  course of making 
>it easier for new players to get positions, we will  soon try and keep the 
>player:region ratio 1:1, something I think we  can all agree is impossible, 
>and it just shouldnt be done.
>
>Lordships, council positions, etc, are rewards, not rights.

Correct. And you should work for them. Get involved in the realm, talk. If 
getting a position is desparately important, start a rebellion. And if it 
does't work, RP your characters reactions. Go to a small realm. Get 
unofficial positions. Most of all, start having fun, playing the game 
forwhat it is.

Here endeth the rant of the relative newbie.

The1exile (AKA Sniperchief)

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