[Discuss] 2 family members in government positions

[Lyman Stone]

>
> Your going to extremes here, for I certainly would welcome you to  
> Abington, we have 150 nobles and some 24 regions, I am sure people  
> in Abington do not think lordship is cheap otherwise they would  
> have switched realms, with their region. lol.  But enough with the  
> railroading, Lordship is certainly different that council positions  
> and dukeships.  Lordships don't hold the same influence that  
> Dukeships and council positions offer.

They hold mor einfluence than you might think.

Lets take Ubent for example. One of their current(or was it recently  
lost? i forget) southern mountain regions produced something like  
30-40% of their income. Thats pretty influential.

Or we'll say there's a realm barely making its food needs, then it  
loses a big rural region. Thats a big loss. Normal lordships can be  
quite influential.
>
> I think that many newer players would rejoice if Tom restricted  
> things further with my suggested 1 position (ruler, judge, general,  
> banker, duke) per player account.  It seems very fair in terms of  
> gameplay and would add a lot more 'variety' to the game.

I think I am a newer player, and I know I wouldnt rejoice. Its funny  
how almost everyone on this list is an old fart themselves. Lets all  
sound off who on here has been in game less than 1 year, shall we? I  
think I'm on 8 months now. Not new, but newer. Most players are quiet  
people who wouldnt mind having a lordship, but arent going to do  
anything outstanding to deserve it. Well, I think they should have to  
do something outstanding to deserve it.

A player is not entitled to a lordship, or a council position, or  
what have you. They are a reward and, considering the stress involved  
in some of them, at times a dubious one. I know that in my short  
stint as a ruler, I got a cumulative 5 minutes of joy from the  
position, which isnt to say I enjoyed the game less, merely didnt  
particularly think the position itself is some great bringer-of-joy.

If getting positions to new players were so important, it would be an  
inalienable right. As Timothy did, lets take these rules to the  
extreme. One position per account, okay. Well, if we continue this  
course of making it easier for new players to get positions, we will  
soon try and keep the player:region ratio 1:1, something I think we  
can all agree is impossible, and it just shouldnt be done.

Lordships, council positions, etc, are rewards, not rights.
>
> On the other hand I don't think you answer the question as to why  
> the initial restriction was put into place in the beginning.  It is  
> time to expand it now that there are over 1000 players gaming.
Why was the initial restriction put into place? And if West Continent  
comes anytime before 2k players, we'll be fine, its a big continent  
from what I've seen.

>
> So why should the 'old farts' be allowed to powergame themselves  
> into other powerful/directly influential positions?  It's not like  
> BM has lost lots of players recently.
Powergame themselves? Lets use some semantics here, how exactly do  
you define powergaming?

I define it as the "anything to win" attitude.

Now, I wouldnt say its powergaming to try and have my characters be  
successful. There is a difference between picking a goal, and  
striving for it, and taking what comes your way, and trying to "win".  
If trying to get elected to a position based upon your merits is  
powergaming then.... umm.... I cant think of a rational arguement  
here, so I'll just be blunt: Thats just wrong.