[Discuss] The state of the game

[Anthony Cerqueira]

On 7/7/06, Justin Licht <mrsneeze659 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 7/7/06, Josiah Allen <josiahallen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 7/7/06, Alex Davies <the1exile at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >From: Mark Moss <battlemaster at mmoss.org>
> > > >Reply-To: BattleMaster general discussion list
> > > ><discuss at news.battlemaster.org>
> > > >To: BattleMaster general discussion list <discuss at news.battlemaster.org
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> > > >Subject: Re: [Discuss] The state of the game
> > > >Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:55:32 -0400
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 11:17 -0500, Eric Kenseth wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/6/06, Tom <tom at lemuria.org> wrote:
> > > > >         Marc J. wrote:
> > > > >         > I know this has been asked before, but is there anything
> > > > >         _concrete_ we
> > > > >         > can do to help you?
> > > > >         >
> > > > >         > (Other then the "don't give cheaters safe harbour; don't
> > > > >         treat
> > > > >         > inactivity as a diesease; give newbies the benefit of
> > > > >         doubt")
> > > > >         >
> > > > >         > Do you need more Titans, GMs, Coders, or even more Titan
> > > > >         reports?
> > > > >         I need more good players who give the assholes such a hard
> > > > >         time that
> > > > >         they go piss in someone else's drink.
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I the only one who almost never sees assholes in the game?
> > > >
> > > >Maybe, but probably not.  Most likely we've all got a bit of a
> different
> > > >definition of what makes a character an asshole.  Here's mine:
> > > >
> > > >In battlemaster, an "asshole" is a player to whom "winning" is more
> > > >important than the fun of the other 1000+ players.
> > >
> > > 2000 players, I thought it was now. But otherwise, yes.
> > >
> > > >By my definition, the general who insists that his orders be followed
> > > >exactly and with no deviation, or that nothing be done except on his
> > > >orders (and goes beyond simply RP'ing a megalomaniac) is an asshole.
> > >
> > > Depends reallly. I would say that sort of general isn't bad (unless he
> goes
> > > into punishing people for not logging on that day)...
> > >
> > > The thing with generals (or any orders giving character, like Marshals,
> BG
> > > heads, Dukes, Rulers) is that if they give an order threy want it
> follwed.
> > > Howveer, if uit isn't they want a damn good reason and some _discussion_
> > > about it.
> > >
> > > If I give an order to attack somewhere in some way tand someone else
> thinks
> > > they have a better idea, SAY SOMETHING! Provoke discussion! Those
> characters
> > > who don't follow orders just because they feel like it are plain
> annoying on
> > > an IC level.
> > >
> > > >By my definition, players who move capitials, instigate rebellions, and
> > > >use other in-game actions to help their side win even when they defy
> > > >common (IC) sense, established RP, or the intent of game mecahnics, are
> > > >assholes.
> > >
> > > True. On the other hand, my IC asshole does not mean I am an asshole (or
> at
> > > least I hope not).
> > >
> > > Those who instigate rebellion because they want a realm, because they
> hate
> > > the ruler, or because they are simply insane/suicidal/brilliant, those
> who
> > > move the capital to a more central location, and those who decide that
> they
> > > should never RP if they think their character might come off worse (hint
> > > hint). Especially those RPers are assholes IMO.
> > >
> > > >These are, of course, in addition to the players who are simply
> > > >unfriendly and/or downright nasty OOC to other players.
> > >
> > > Duh, they violate the social contract, why don't they get bolted
> already?
> > >
> > > I had a ruler who was an asshole once...
> > >
> > > The1exile (AKA Sniperchief)
> > >
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> > > new nugget of knowledge it brings to me makes me a little bit stupider.
> > >
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> > Sometimes I think Tom's problem is that he listens to these discussion
> > lists.  That whole thing where he left FEI was disgusting, I can't
> > believe anyone had the gall to bother him like that.
> >
> > The problem is assholes have more energy than good people, and good
> > people will say their piece and go about their business, while
> > assholes while write a thousand emails full of crap until they get
> > their way, regardless of whether it's good for the game.
> >
> > If I were Tom, I'd start a discussion list that includes people I
> > don't mind hearing from and excludes those that never add anything
> > useful except random complaints as if they were paying 20 bucks a
> > month for the game.
> >
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>  I am in favour of Dorian's idea... Especially because I was just about to
> suggest it myself before I read that.  A self governing community is the way
> to go.


Um everyone does remember that we had a self governing community
before titans and that everything went to hell in a hand basket,
right?