[Discuss] Strategic secessions (was:Re: Life without a Judge)

[Andrew Asche]

>  I agree, it is just one person. But that person is part of the parent realm of the
>  Sultanate. They have a very good public view of how Fontan views the
>  secession. You have to admit that this is a very prominent, public declaration
>  that the city of Kazakh was seceded from Fontan as a planned event, witht he
>  support of the government of Fontan, for the purpose of rpessing the war
>  against OR. That's a classic strategic secession.
It was eventually officially endorsed, yes, and that does make it
friendly.  That doesn't make it strategic, however.  To the extent of
my knowledge, and I was there, it was never once mentioned that it
would provide a strategic advantage, except in the form that "Hostile
enemy lands will be replaced by lands not hostile to us."  That is a
strategic advantage, yes, but does not make it a strategic secession,
it simply makes it strategic for them to not kill us instantly.

>  The war with OI is an irrelevant side issue. It would not have happened if OI
>  had buckled under and handed over Kazan
Which we knew they wouldn't.  I'm in the inner council thing in the
new realm, we started crying for OI's blood almost insantly.
, and you would be happily sending
>  your troops toward Oroya by now while Fontan concentrated on Ashforth.
Again, I disagree.  OI offered to help us destroy OR, we would take a
new city and move our realm there, and hand over our current lands to
OI.  If we were a strategic realm without our own agenda, we would
have taken that offer.  Instead we were affronted and invaded OI, not
OR.
>  Claiming that this war makes the Sultanate an independent realm is
>  disingenuous, at best. You publicly stated to the entire island that the entire
>  purpose of the war with OI was only so you could take Kazan, and that once
>  you did that you would go back to peace with them. This is merely a distraction,
>  and not core issue.
I personally do not believe that we will see peace with OI for a long,
long while.  And even if that was the original intention, I judge by
the messages exchanged in the region of Kazan that it will not happen.

>  > Also, anyone who has spent any time in Fontan knows how strongly
>  > democracy is supported.  Our realm is not a democracy, far from it, it
>  > is a monarchy with a sultan.
>
>  And that makes it not a strategic secession because...?
Because democracy is so fiercely protected in Fontan.  If they
thought, or if we thought we were making an extension of Fontan just
with a new capitol to recruit from, we'd have been compelled to be a
democracy instead.  We resisted fiercly and held our right to be a
monarchy.  In my opinion, this strengthens the claim that we meant to
be our own realm doing our own thing.

>  No one has accused you of being a puppet, or mini-Fontan. No one said
>  anything about it at all until you started defending against accusations that
>  hadn't even been made.
>
>  Once you brought it up, I merely pointed out all the facts that, on the surface,
>  show the Sultanate's secession as being a classic strategic secession.
Isn't a strategic secession the act of putting a puppet realm in
place?  I believe the two go hand in hand.  A strategic secession is
creating a puppet realm in a place that will be able to carry out a
war more effeciently.

In my time in Fontan, in fact in my first few weeks there, I traveled
with a raiding party and occupied Oroya along with 6 or 7 others.  We
also occupied and looted almost all of their other regions up there.
Fontan at large can hit Ashforth at will, and our group took Kazakh
without issue.  I will again repeat, Fontan would neither need nor
desire a 2 or 3 region realm to more effeciently strike OR.  They can
do it at will anyhow.  And, given the location of Kazakh, on a
peninsula, we are not even all that much closer.  MAYBE one turn
closer to some of their regions, further away from most, because we
have to travel all the way OUT of our peninsula and then back to
whatever region we'd want to hit.  And really, Sirion is Fontan's more
pressing enemy, because they're not lying on the ground gasping like
OR is.  The new realm is twice as far away from Sirion as Fontan is.

If this is a strategic secession, don't you think we would have used a
lot more strategy?


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