[Discuss] New Secession rules

[James (via mobile)]

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Subject:	Re: [Discuss] New Secession rules
From:	Nick Moeller <Nicksspam at gmail.com>
Date:		04/06/2007 14:24

I knew people would say "oh they can just join their old realm again, 
nothings changed".

Yes it has, you aren't getting the point. The pride of upholding that 
oath has been canceled out as nobles are automatically dragged into it.

The surprise and fun of the unknowing has also been taken out of it. The 
  duke as well as the realm automatically know what regions and nobles 
will be part of the rebellion(yes yes yes they can still switch back to 
their old realm you've already said that). The duke knows that he's 
getting exactly X number of regions to follow him, taking out the stress 
and excitement as a lord upholds his oath and joins his liege(The 
rebellious duke paces nervously back and forth in his chambers every 
once in a while glancing out the window to the west. A messenger runs 
breathlessly into the chambers. "Well out with it already"-the Duke 
exclaims. "My Duke...the lords X and X, their armies march my lord." "To 
where?" "Here my lord, they are with us". A smile crosses the lips of 
the Duke...) The fun of the tense few turns as a few of the lords are 
quiet and everyone is wondering what they are going to do. Also taking 
out the surprised anger from the old realm as another region joins the 
rebellion.


You are missing the point, you are taking the FUN out of joining the 
rebellion and upholding the oath. Joining a rebellion is much more of 
and exciting choice moved along by characters personalities than the " 
ho hum" I'm just gonna return to my old realm". Nobles should be able to 
have the chance to uphold their oath on their own. Like I said of course 
I believe that the choice SHOULD be with the duke that their oath was 
sworn to...then again the duke did not uphold his oath to the realm. 
Shouldn't other landed nobles be given that option and the fun of having 
to choose?


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is there a bit of confusion going on between secessions and rebellions? As far as I can tell they're still completely different events. In a secession a Duke leaves his realm and takes his duchy with him (as he should). In a rebellion it's an uprising against the ruler/government which everyone within the realm will still have the choice to join or not.



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